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You wanna keep it in during the main part of the swing. When you get to the hit your wrist will naturally pop. So if youre out of alignment, it will not go well. Philo talks about it in a video.

I wish i could give such a great monotone delivery like him

Thanks.

Thanks. This should be fun. Not humm drumm

I got a grip video to do still. Wanna make sure its right first. Still testing some stuff

Haha. Thanks.

It was funny, I left it in.

The push is after the pocket. And pull/drag whatever you want is a result of other actions, not the actual driven action and that's the part that is hard to stress. Active action vs a passive action sorta thing. The "pull" part is a passive result of driving the disc with the body before we sling the disc out essentially. But yeah, the problem with pull is people get to focused on pulling with the arm, vs the body. And that's more of the point I was trying to make. It's difficult to do stuff like this without getting waaay lost in the weeds and trying to keep it short and get most of the point across.

I know what you're saying but that is not a push action. It's still a pull, similar to how a trebuchet works. A catapult is more of a push. Out of the pocket the hand is still leading the disc but you're drastically changing the direction of the pull. To put it another way, if a steam engine does a 180° turn it doesn't suddenly start pushing the cars behind it, it's still pulling.

You push out from the chest. You dont pull out from the chest. If you pull from the power pocket, you're going to round.... For the elbow to hinge outwards and your arm to straighten, you push our swing out. This is why the "pull" terminology gets people in trouble. You're stuck trying to defend poor terms because you like it vs breaking down the mechanics deeper to the root parts of it. And while I love Trebuchets, they are superior to catapults. ... They dont have an elbow to swing out. They are a solid arm.

I’ve got to say, I 1,000,000% agree with EOGHANA! I think that videos that tell people not to pull actually confuses people more. I have a friend who listened to these videos and kept telling me to not pull, and that he shouldn’t pull and I think this really hurt his progress. I believe there is a late pool, and you shouldn’t pull too early or you will throw your rhythm off. There really is no push action at all in a backhand drive.

haha, that's fantastic.

I don't follow your question.

Most of what i do is one on one in person lessons. But you can message me on insta at tnsheepshearing

Thanks. Its a tough subject with out getting caught in the weeds

When i discovered 'pushing' the disc out instead of pulling, suddenly it felt almost like a superpower; I was sending discs 30 to 40% farther with less effort. I started getting an audible snap when the disc released and it would land with a ton of spin still on it. It's really a key move in proper throwing technique. It feels quite unnatural at first because it's such a counter-intuitive way to throw.

A response with such intelligence. Ill have to go get a new degree to even comprehend what you said...

Ill do a video on reference practice at some point and it will make more sense.

Presentation makes a huge difference on understanding. I'm glad you like the more... wordy explanation I provide.

You throw from the power pocket. But the videos dan did on it dont really explain how to do it well without muscling. Ill probably do a video breaking it down more soon. Its a good drill that is over looked a lot

That makes sense, but it's still a bad reference. That's the joke. I mean, you understood that's a joke right?

not only was it a joke, but it was good one! i laughed at it pretty hard, well done!@@sarinhighwind

@@jerkwagon oh good. Wasnt sure based on the comment. Haha

Exactly, because the point at which the disc comes out of your hand is just as critical as everything because posture influences so much. So if your rounding passed the hit point, when that disc rotates out of your hand, its most likely going to be nose up. Hand alignment with target, blah blah blah. There is just SO many things vs just pouring coffee and turning keys. There are people who do NONE of these things and just naturally throw with good nose angles the first day. I've had new players come to the course and they just automagically throw nose down. No fancy tricks or key turns, they just naturally throw nose down. Curse them. I've tried some other grips over the years, and thrown nose down with them, tried to do it the next day and couldn't do it. I'm still messing with my grip to try and get a consistent controlled release where I know I am finally in control and its less fate based and more me based.

@@sarinhighwind Definitely curse those folks that never had to struggle! 😝 But your point about ducks in a row and randomly throwing in squirrels is applicable not only to grip, but to the entire swing. The TechDisc is a magical device. I am now fixing my hit point, which automatically fixes my nose angle. Get in a row, ducks! And get out of here, squirrel!

I understand the concepts he's talking about. The problem when we break it down with what he's doing is were seeing 1 piece of a really large puzzle. And to make any firm statements on those things, we need to do more research to gather data. He doesn't live close to me, otherwise I'd invite him over to shoot high speed and we could look into it better to make more firm statements vs theoretical statements.

Thanks. Just nobody was talking about all the other important things, all they were talking about was how great the magic pill was.

Cool story.

I thought it was good to follow, not everything needs to be scripted, going to try to do some new things with this weeks field work! Nice video

@JasonAllmen thanks. Its hard to keep videos short but provide all relevant detail. And while other creators make good videos they are trying to keep them short so they miss this stuff. But its more my thing. So ill do it.

Interesting,but oh so long ,5 min max and go for the core ,lost in words before you can get what is of value on the subject ( and maybe missing the real point).Keep up the good work (like it) but maybe shorter?

When we get into a lot of this stuff, its nuanced and technical. The goal is to try and keep it simple, but its also important to have a certain level of understanding of WHAT your doing and WHY. And I see a lot of people explaining to do it, but not what you're actually achieving, or any other important things.

@@sarinhighwindEverything is really really hard until it isn't. Then it's hard to fathom what made it hard in the first place.

I think we want it to be complicated to justify the effort we put into it. And it's really not overly complicated. It's important to break it down to simple things and teach those without getting to into gimmicks.

@@sarinhighwind I was more so commenting on the nature of muscle memory. But yes it is very much a cope to think that it is a problem you can solve primarily with your mind.

Uhh. The obs starter was terrible. Thats why they changed it on the super dutys. These motors needa certain rpm before the injectors fire. That old obs starter barely does it because its for the idi which it works perfectly fine on.

The tee box is a "defined throwing area" and yes, you should be punished for stepping passed the tee box. For Tour stops, there are tee pad regulations to follow btw. But when we come to throwing in the fairway, the lie has been opened up greatly from before, mainly because people were not hitting it. so they doubled it in size practically, and players STILL cannot hit it. You just need a part of your foot in that giant sheet of paper, it gives you over a foot of error in all directions to try and execute the shot within the rules properly. So, Ignoring the rules gains you an advantage if you can just step anywhere willy nilly.

Its that counterbalance!